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So what good is having a website if I don't post embarassing stuff about stupid people for all the world to see? A little backstory about this particular bit of stupidness: During summer of 2005, I ran into a guy I kinda knew from work. We hit it off and started dating. 3 months later it ended, a shortness record for me. Usually, I insist anyone I date meet my other partners and friends before we start dating, to make sure everyone will get along and I don't have to play the musical-friends game for parties. I didn't do it this time. During the course of our relationship, he indicated to me he wanted to meet some intelligent people who didn't spend all their time stoned out of their minds and who could talk about a wide variety of subjects from politics to entertainment to books to just silly stuff. I have a group of friends who keep in touch primarily through a private email list called The Freaks and this group of friends is exactly what he requested. They are extremely intelligent people (mostly computer geeks for a living) with an incredibly diverse and ecclectic collection of interests and hobbies. So I recommended he join the email list and attend some parties with me to meet them.
He joined the list but resisted meeting my friends (should have been my first red flag). I finally dragged him to a couple of parties. He then started refusing to attend social functions, always with some excuse. We finally broke up for other reasons, then he asked me to get back together. I told him I could not date anyone who wouldn't spend any time with my friends because I refuse to segregate and compartmentalize my life like that. I had noticed he was resistant to socializing - my friends & other partners were too important to me and I could not divide my time keeping them seperated from a boyfriend. That's when he told me he thinks they are "elitist snobs" who "look down" on people who drink or do drugs and who are "tied to technology". I tried to point out that he requested people who only imbibed in moderation and that he has a Mac laptop, a hybrid car and works in an industry that utilizes the absolute latest in video, audio, and lighting technology. I also told him that my friends were non-negotiable and I would not get back together with him as long as he refused to even try and get to know my friends and other partners.
So, here we are a year later and he is apparently still subscribed to the email list. He wanted to remove himself from the list but couldn't figure out how. The information to invite other friends to join, unsubscribe, or email for help is automatically added to the bottom of every email that gets posted. When you email the unsubscribe link, you then get a confirmation email to make sure no one else tried to remove you (called double opt-out, a legal requirement for internet email lists). When you confirm, you are then removed from the list. He had mentioned some time ago that clicking on the unsubscribe link didn't unsubscribe him (probably because he stopped reading all Freaks email and missed the unsubscribe confirmation email). I told him at the time that there was a confirmation email he had to answer and if it still wasn't working he could email the moderator directly, or simply write a filter or block emails coming from the list. I also told him then that the moderator had moved out of the area to another state and had unsubscribed himself since he was no longer in the area to keep up with local social functions, but continued to host the list for his old friends out here. Which means that the moderator doesn't read any of the posts and never policed the list anyway, figuring we were all friends and adults who could regulate ourselves. Well, after nearly a year and absolutely no comments made to the list before now, he decides to say something. He complained about not being able to unsubscribe and chose to take the tactic of "squeaky wheel gets the grease". In other words, he tried to get himself kicked off the list by being an asshole - never mind that the moderator doesn't read the list anymore and doesn't manually subscribe or unsubscribe people so as to avoid playing "policeman" to a group of adults.
Here is the exchange starting with his very first unprovoked email and the resulting responses from other members of the list (who are, remember, all personal friends of each other, as this is not a public email list but a private list that one of the members of the group hosts on his own server) & all members are by invitation only. Any comments made by me for this webpage are in purple:
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From: "Ian Mercer" dednoyz@msn.com To: Freaks Mailing List Subject: Re: [freaks!] getting off Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 19:58:37 +0000
I have been trying to disband from this site forever. Chris, hausboheme, whoever the
fuck the moderator is for this mailing list, for some reason would rather leave me bound.
Now I know all of you kinky kids out there may be amused by this, but I cannot handle
the flow of emails. There are too many quick responses, and I am not electronically
leashed to my computer, nor can I sit and read every fricking email that happens to come
through, I am fed up with constantly having to delete all of the uninteresting kitsch
that floats through unfiltered on here, and missing messages that are important to me
(i.e. job related) because you guys mass message this post. I now get more mail from
this list than all of the sex adds and I'm tired of it. If anyone has any suggestions,
or just wants to personally contact him and tell him to REMOVE ME I would be happy. I
have unsubscribed from this list every way I know how, and now unfortunately feel that
the only means left to me are to be aggressive, and maybe even intollerable. So If you
don't want me to start mass messaging this post with ALL of my rantings, someone should
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From: Janet To: Freaks Mailing List Subject: Re: [freaks!] getting off Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 13:03:15 -0700 (PDT) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: freaks-unsubscribe@hausboheme.orgFor additional commands, e-mail: freaks-help@hausboheme.org (That line is at the bottom of every email that is posted to the Freaks list) That's the only way that I know of to unsubsribe.I don't understand why you decided to yell at the entire list, though. It's a bit unnecessary to those of us that have done nothing to you.Have a nice day.- Janet |
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From: Franklin To: Freaks Mailing List Subject: Re: [freaks!] getting off Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 16:23:35 -0400 > So If you don't want me to start mass messaging this post with ALL of my rantings, someone should help. > Danke > Me Oh, for cryin' out... Look at the bottom of every email on this list. It says: " To unsubscribe, e-mail: freaks-unsubscribe@hausboheme.org " If you want to unsubscribe from the list, you might try sending an email to freaks-unsubscribe@hausboheme.org. |
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From: Corinne To: Freaks Mailing List Subject: Re: [freaks!] getting off: Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:53:21 -0400 Wow, uh yeah. I don't always participate. I don't always even care what is being said. What matters to me, and what differentiates this list from others and from the referenced spam, is these are real people I consider friends. Sometimes a post simply sparks a memory... until you see the person again at the next gathering. I don't read them all either. Sometimes, I too, just delete them. C'est la vie..... But, geez dude, what Janet said.... put the claws away, who peed in your cheerios? Someone got ya mad? Sorry you are having trouble. Maybe Chris is away on a job.... Maybe try putting the address in your unapproved folder or setting it to automatically delete using rules. Just a thought..... Corinne |
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From: -Mike To: Freaks Mailing List Subject: Re: [freaks!] getting off Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 20:00:41 -0400 LOL... That's pretty good. I haven't seen flame bait like that in a while. Nicely done. Especially like how you referred to everyone in generalized terms as kinky kids. It's inflammatory several ways. It condescends to age AND sexual proclivities. 'uninteresting kitsch' was a nice one too. It's insulting while making you sound like a prick. Very tempting flame bait indeed. Anyway I'm not going to reiterate everyone's comments about how easy it would be for you to unsubscribe. I AM interested in if you have even tried. You might have. Maybe the unsubscribe is broken, that is what I'm concerned with. The founder of the list that you made mention of doesn't even read it anymore now that he lives in California. If he did however would point out, I suspect, that this list is opt in only and that anyone on this list would have had to have subscribed themselves (who referred you anyway?). He never subscribes or oversubscribes people, Even if you ask him to. You have to do it yourself. He would only provide you the same instructions everyone else did. So anyway, if you did try e-mailing freaks-unsubscribe@hausboheme.org and it didn't work then you can let me know and I'll make sure 'Chris, hausboheme, whoever the fuck' knows that there is a problem. Cheers and many happy returns. Kinky Kid -Mike. |
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From: "Ian Mercer" dednoyz@msn.com To: Freaks Mailing List Subject: Re: [freaks!] getting off: Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 01:09:50 +0000 I'm sorry, as joreth can attest to I have a habit of being an asshole. And for crying out loud Franklin, if you paid attention to the email, i already tried unsubscribing. No, most of you are very sweet people, I didn't mean to include everyone in that. What I was trying to accomplish is to actually be kicked off of this mailing list, because all other attempts to UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THE LIST WITH PROVIDED HYPERLINK (franklin) has yet been unsuccessful. So I figured if the link was broken, or some other problem happened, that I could get someone's attention this way. I didn't say it wasn't juvenile, but I missed a really important work related email because of the mass messages of one liners that tends to happen with this group, and I can't let it happen again. I unfortunately do not have time to syphon through every bit of it. Sorry if anyone's feelings were hurt, but know one really knows me on here, so no one should be upset. Danke Me |
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From: "Ian Mercer" dednoyz@msn.com To: Freaks Mailing List Subject: Re: [freaks!] getting off Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 01:14:48 +0000 Thanks Mike, you rule. At least someone got the point, none of it was really meant to be derogatory, it was mostly silliness, but I'm glad that you understand what I'm talking about. Thanks for your concise and informative answer, as you may see in a recent post I have tried to unsubscribe through the link. And to answer your question, I was intro'd to this site by joreth. well, nite meian |
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From: -Mike To: Freaks Mailing List Subject: Re: [freaks!] getting off Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 22:15:29 -0400 K. I let Chris know you are having problems with the link. I tested it myself just now and it did work for me so it doesn't seem to be a systemic problem. Does the link actually spawn the Mailto: e-mail like it should? If so, do you get the auto reply asking you to confirm the unsubscription request after you send that e-mail? If so, do you confirm? Can't imagine what would be going wrong with just your account but you may try just cutting and pasting the address into your mail client and sending it out directly. If that doesn't work I'm sure Chris can unsubscribe you by hand but you will likely have to wait a bit for that since I know he just left for DEFCON and will be in the air traveling most of the weekend. In your previous e-mail, you did mention that you tried to unsubscribe but you didn't say how. As a tech analyst by trade, I had to assume you did it wrong since it works for other users. I know that's not the case now, but that's why you got the same advice four times after your first e-mail. In the mean time, while you wait for Chris to be available to correct this, I would suggest you just configure your mail client to auto forward to trash/filter/auto delete or otherwise insulate you from messages with [freaks!] in the subject. That way you wouldn't miss the important stuff. And personally I would start maintaining a 'personal' e-mail and 'professional' e-mail account. I couldn't imagine getting personal mail and work mail on the same account. Anyway, good luck, good hunting, good grief and good riddance (just kidding) ;) Kinky Kid -Mike Seriously, everyone is being much nicer than he deserves. But wait, then I enter the fray and say the things that some people on the list wanted to say but were afraid to! |
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From: Joreth To: Freaks Mailing List Subject: Re: [freaks!] getting off: Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 20:22:07 -0500 > I'm sorry, as shara can attest to I have a habit of being an asshole. Yep, sorry everyone, my fault he's here in the first place. But I would have tried filtering if all other "official" unsubscribe attempts weren't working before pissing off everyone else in an attempt to get a little attention. And before you start singling out Franklin, at least 2 other people suggested the hyperlink as well. And Chris has said repeatedly that he does not manually remove anyone from the list. When all else fails, block the fucking subject line "Freaks". Keep in mind here that Franklin is one of my sweeties, whom I was dating while dating Ian, and Franklin is one of the people he originally singled as someone he particularly didn't like after only a couple of meetings with him. And I'm still being really nice. |
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From: "Ian Mercer" dednoyz@msn.com To: Freaks Mailing List Subject: Re: [freaks!] getting off: Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 13:06:34 +0000 yes this came in my inbox at this time, but this post is in the actual order it was written Franklin wasn't singled out, he was just the first one to whine and make that suggestion. First of all, he wasn't whining. Secondly, he wasn't the first to make that suggestion, look above And I was offering some food for thought, but I guess that requires thinking. I don't need attention, it's the opposite, and I can't block it like that, smart ass |
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From: Nancy the moderator's partner To: Freaks Mailing List Subject: Re: [freaks!] getting off: Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 07:51:43 -0700 Ian did you reply to the confirmation email? |
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From: Eric To: Freaks Mailing List Subject: Re: [freaks!] getting off: Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:02:32 -0400 What mail client are you using, and on what platform? -Eric |
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From: Joreth To: Freaks Mailing List Subject: Re: [freaks!] getting off: Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 11:38:20 -0500 If you can't write filters for your incoming email, perhaps you should consider changing email clients, since every other free email provider lets you write a filter like "If subject contains 'Freaks', move to 'Trash'" This problem is easily rectified by very simple means on your own end if the moderator is having technical difficulties with the official unsubscription process without pissing off the rest of the group with an attitude. |
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From: -Mike To: Freaks Mailing List Subject: Re: [freaks!] getting off: Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 19:52:52 -0400 Dude... The hostility that you are writing into your e-mails borders on the ridiculous. I mean... Franklin was whining? Joreth is a smart ass? Is this more flame bait? I mean, you really shouldn't flame bait a mailing list that is comprised mostly of close friends. What food for thought were you offering? You basically insulted everyone, then advertised your inability to complete even the most basic of computer related tasks and then asked for (demanded) our help. You can't filter your e-mail? Even AOL offers this option. Maybe you should switch to AOL and make use of their simplified interface. I really can't understand what you hope to accomplish with your continued hostility. I mean, as innocent a victim as you might be in all this, we are also just as without fault when it comes to your not being able to withdraw from the list (even though others can without issue). So how about you turn off the 'chat room troll' attitude and start answering some of the helpful troubleshooting questions people have been offering you from the beginning. For instance, I have asked you if your mail client opens an e-mail to the unsubscribe address when you click on the link. I have also asked you if you have ever confirmed the e-mail that you should get if you click the unsubscribe link and send the e-mail that comes up. Nan has asked you if you have replied to the confirmation e-mail as well. Eric asked you what Mail Client you are using and what platform (he means Windows or Mac (or UNIX/Linux I suppose)). Joreth and others have asked you why you can't simply filter the freaks mail. Simply saying you can't and calling people names doesn't help. Tell us why not. I guess what I'm saying is you asked for our help (in a rather stupid way) Let me make a suggestion instead. Tone down the abuse level and pretend like you appreciate our help instead. Because after a while we will all simply filter out YOUR mail and get on with our lives whether you find your way off the list or not. And despite your claims that we are all just a bunch of 'Kinky kids' spewing forth 'uninteresting kitsch', you are corresponding with a very smart bunch of people here who are particularly well versed in computer related issues. We aren't just asking these things to antagonize you. Lets have some cooperation so we can get you unsubscribed or otherwise insulated from this mailing list. I suspect that would make everyone happy. Kinky Kid -Mike. Seriously, still way too nice, but then again, my friends are cool people |
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Now I start to get snarky From: Joreth To: Freaks Mailing List Subject: Re: [freaks!] getting off: Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 20:14:59 -0500 > So how about you turn off the 'chat room troll' attitude and start answering > some of the helpful troubleshooting questions people have been offering you > from the beginning. Unfortunately this is just Ian's MO and you're probably wasting your time trying to help him solve the problem, since I told him a long time ago that if he's not able to unsubscribe that he should just filter it. He's using a MAC and he calls me a smartass all the time (usually it's done with some measure of affection, couldn't tell you in this case if it was or not.) He calls everyone "kid" regardless of age (he's 25 himself) and completely in the face of everyone who is insulted by it, and he uses the word "whining" very liberally to describe people's responses/complaints to his negative attitude. He's using MSN's web-browser email, not any program like Eudora or Outlook. I'm betting what happened was he clicked the unsubscribe link, then trashed all email from Freaks without reading it and therefore never saw any confirmation email. He seems to ignore that it's a DOUBLE OPT-IN DOUBLE-OPT OUT mailing list and that it's TOTALLY AUTOMATED and that HE has to complete all the steps to unsubscribe. But it's much easier to call people names that are merely members of the list and have no way to fix the problem than admit he's either not smart enough to figure out some basic email customization or too lazy to try several options on his own to solve the problem. Ian has a very aggressive "communication" style and he tends to upset people that he speaks to without understanding why he upset them and when pointed out to him that he comes across as aggressive and hostile, he responds by claiming people should just get thicker skin and not be offended so easily and he refuses to "cater" to or "sugar coat" his opinions for people who are just "too sensative". Unfortunately a side effect of our industry (we work together) is that many people use what is normally considered abusive language even when expressing affection or just being "neutral" and some people have not figured out how to filter their communication for people who are not receptive to that kind of abuse (or that kind of self-delusional arrogance that believes the rest of the world should learn to deal with them instead of the other way around). He has already been offered suggestions as to how to fix the problem by me before he started this little rant and again by several of you. I told him months ago that Chris no longer reads the Freaks emails so posting here wouldn't be seen by him anyway. I apologize for being somewhat responsible for subjecting everyone here to his attitude and I recommend that anyone who is bothered by it simply filter out emails from his address (since he can't figure out how to filter his own email system even when instructed how). Just for future reference, anyone using the MSN/Hotmail web-browser email can filter out Freaks email by the following: Click on the "Options" link in the upper right hand of the screen. Select the option "Custom Filters". Click "New Filter" button. click the bullet point for "have_____in the subject" and enter the word "freaks" in the blank field. click the radio button that says "delete these messages". click OK. I signed up for an msn account just to find the instructions on how to filter emails. I was able to get this within seconds of signing into my mailbox. I think that says something that Ian has had this account for several years and didn't know how to filter And if Ian is reading this, you should probably have thought about how I would feel to see you flame my friends on this list and you already know that I get offended by how you say things and therefore would view your post as a "flame" whether you intended it or not. I have not mentioned to anyone here anything about us, nor talked about you before this date, so you opened up the door for any negative comments in a "public" forum that I make about you, since I feel the need to apologize to my friends for your behaviour. If you have any problem with what I said above to people about you, then don't pull an attitude with those people causing me to explain and apologize. What happened to the whole Buddhist-trying-to-be-nice-and-do-away-with-my-negative-attitude bullshit you've been talking about lately, huh? There are much more efficient ways to get something done and insulting people who have absolutely nothing to do with your problem and no way to fix it for you isn't one of them. You've asked me before how you could word things that wouldn't piss me off. How about politely requesting help with a technical difficulty? Something along the lines of "I've tried emailing the unsubscribe link at the bottom of the emails but I'm still getting Freaks mail. Anyone know how to get a hold of the moderator so I can get off this list?" might have been a bit more productive and keeping in line with your new-found so-called buddhist inner peace. Now your already full and important inbox is being flooded by people responding to your insulting posts, potentially causing you to miss very important work emails since you signed onto this list with the same address that you use for work (when I know you have more than one email address) and apparently none of your bosses can use your cell phone to reach you for time-sensative information like mine do (since we work in the same business). ~The Smartass |
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From: Steve To: Freaks Mailing List Subject: Re: [freaks!] getting off: Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 21:28:41 -0400 Its not so much that he's being insensitive and not sugar coating stuff;i mean damn anyone that knows me knows that im an insensitive prick;: he's just being an asshole. and Joreth it isnt your fault he's like that, no matter the reason he's on the list in the first place. some people just have to be a dick no matter what. Mike, sometimes i just love reading what you type up man. |
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From: Joreth To: Freaks Mailing List Subject: Re: [freaks!] getting off: Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 20:54:40 -0500 no, I know that he's not just being insensitive and not sugar coating, that's how he seems himself. I see him as an asshole and I have told him so before. And I don't take any responsibility for him being an asshole, I do regret introducing him to this list, though. |
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From: "Ian Mercer" dednoyz@msn.com To: Freaks Mailing List Subject: Re: [freaks!] getting off: Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 03:03:56 +0000 This is the final post to this list, because this is getting rEEEEE dic u lous. The thread was OVER, joreth, you rehashed it. Maybe you need attention. Actually funny thing is, you seem more pissed off than most. Most people have been pretty nice about the whole thing. Quit taking this so personally joreth, I told you and everyone else that I got a little crazy, because of missing an email that pertained to my JOB. You know the career you and I share? Thus Changing my email client is not really an option, because I can't sit there tell every single boss or job prospect I have from the last 6 years that I have a new email, so it was a bad decision of mine to use this email addy for a mailing list. I'm used to mailing lists that the moderator pays attention, you never told me this was going to happen. I'm also used to lists that have simple rules where it forces the users to use common sense. Like when you claimed franklin wasn't the only one complaining. Here's a simple rule, try reading eachother's posts before responding, if someone else has already said something, don't repeat it. Especially if it's already been stated many times over. Do you guys need to be heard that often. I also said, who the fuck cares about me or what I say, I needed to get off the list for OCCUPATIONAL reasons, unfortunately we live in a capitalistic society, and order to eat, I have to make money. So you shouldn't take this personally, I'm trying to stay alive. I get aggravated and call things out because, yes I am an asshole. I'm not proud of it, I'm trying to learn to be more zen, but it's hard when people can't use common sense and read eachothers posts before stating something, and then you have 18 people with a single line thread say the same thing, it floods mail boxes. But at the same time, I have posted to this list before in a nicer way to get off, in spring, never happened. I hit the unsubscribe link 4 times, and contacted every addy mentioned from my introduction email, to anything listed on the bottom. (notice it doesn't say he responded to the confirmation email to unsubscribe ... the second part of the unsubscription process) I was fed up. So I emailed the list with my complaints. Get over yourselves. If you can't take a little criticism, then maybe you should wonder why I may be saying these things, not everyone is an ass because they're insecure, some people just have things to say, and are too uncreative to say them in a nicer way (M E ) I can even burn myself. The funny thing is, some of you are actually upset by this, do any of you even remember me? Who cares? I also wanted to see some human emotional response. I'm studying you, like everyone else. I'm an observer, and you all played into my hands. (He just had to inflate his own self importance here by how he supposedly instigated this on purpose just to manipulate a bunch of strangers that he doesn't care about) To the people such as Eric and Janet, even mike, (although I haven't read most of your more recent post. I appologize, because you are genuinely sweet people, and after me being an ass, still only had nice things to say. You are truly innocent. The rest of you I really couldn't care less what you think, which is how you should feel about me. You should pay more attention to how you post, and I wouldn't care so much if it wasn't so damn hard to get off of here. ANYWAY, don't bother responding to this thread, b/c I'm not going to read any more of the posts. (Another thing he typically does, which is to hang up, leave or otherwise make it so he has the last word in the argument) I'm not apart of your group, I DON"T MATTER! So relax, enjoy your movies and games, and you're wonderful friendships, and smile, because life is too fun to stress over. :P~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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So then, after midnight, he calls me up to tell me he made that last post and that I should read it From: Joreth To: Freaks Mailing List CC: dednoyz@msn.com, sonsofdelta@yahoo.com Subject: [freaks!] Re: getting off: Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 22:37:29 -0500 You're a fucking nitwit that can't figure out how to filter his emails. That wasn't even close to upset you moron. This is closer to upset but you're so unimportant to me that I'm more amused at how big a hole you're digging yourself and you're just too inflated with self-importance to tell that this is not upset yet. The thread was not over, it was ongoing and you're the one who admitted to needing attention. The thread can't be called "over" while people are still responding and the last email received was minutes before my last post. The people who have responded have been pretty nice but I've had quite a few people tell me off-list they were really upset over your attitude and they appreciated me telling you what a goddamn fucking asshole you're being so they didn't have to. And once again you're showing your stupidity because you don't have to email every single boss or job prospect you have a new email because there are free programs that will forward email and notify for you. And it's very simple to do a mass email to your address book. And besides, I didn't suggest you changing your email, I told you months ago to learn how to filter. I told you several times to use a filter and that when chris moved he stopped following the florida goings-on and quit the list. He hosts this as a favor for his friends, not as a business. Once again you're showing how you don't listen and you don't hear things that were said (an ongoing argument we had where he claimed that I didn't say things I know I said or vice versa). This is not a public mailing list, it is a list of people who are close friends, and we can use any fucking rules we goddam please. You're the imbicile if you can't read the fucking "simple" rules about how to unsubscribe or barring that, how to filter. As for reading everyone else's post before posting, if you had bothered to do that, you would know that 1) Franklin was NOT the first one make that suggestion and 2) people made several suggestions and asked for clarification, none of which YOU listened to. You didn't dish out critism, you dished out insults and you can't take it either. And don't give me any bullshit about how important your email is for work, we both know the bulk of our industry is done by cell phone. Just because you haven't figured out you need to save blank timesheets from Rainbow for when they screw you over by not sending you the info in time doesn't make your inbox suddenly the sole deciding factor in whether you can eat this month or not. If your finances are that hard up, maybe it's not your inbox that's in trouble, it's because your bosses finally figured out you're not worth giving steady work to. Stupid zen bullshit, you're just causing trouble on purpose for your own amusement and that's certainly not going to get you on your path to enlightenment whatever. Problem is that those of us who spoke up most were amused by you. We laughed about your immature behaviour online. I've forwarded your emails to several people who are not on this list so they could get a good chuckle out of it too. Trying to pull off like you're manipulating people, condescending elitist fuckwad. The only thing you did was piss off some people who don't even remember you and amuse others who like a good flame war now and again, and give us someone to laugh about at parties. You're a poser and an immature little boy who can't manage his finances, his life, his relationships or even his email and you offer nothing of value to anyone except amusement at your expense. I hope everyone here blocks your name and you never get off this email list so we can continue to annoy you further. |
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From: Chris (the moderator) To: Freaks Mailing List Subject: [freaks!] Nuking from orbit, it's the only way to be sure... Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 20:40:06 -0700 Too many people are telling me there is a monkey on the list who is too fucking stupid to send an email to freaks-unsubscribe@hausboheme.org and then reply to the confirmation email. I know for a fact that the automated subscription service is working because I briefly subscribed and then unsubscribed on Friday when Mike forwarded to me what he considered to be a prime example of email list stupidity. Having verified that the list software is working as it is supposed to, I can only assume that the misconfiguration is with "Ian Mercer" It is a REALLY rare thing for me to do this, but not unheard of. I believe there was a certain drama-queen that I removed from the list last year because I wasn't sure she would keep the promise of unsubscribing herself unless people were more welcoming. Ian, you are here-by nuked. If anyone wishes to respond to this action on my part, you will have to reply to me personally; because I am not subscribed to the Freaks list. (Except you Ian, I really don't care what you have to say. I have a low tolerance for stupid behavior.) - -Chris |
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Remember how I said he has to have the last word? His last email said it was the "last" he was going to say, so I respoded directly to his email (as you can see in the cc field). He had to get one more word in and here's his response to me directly: From: "Ian Mercer" dednoyz@msn.com To: Joreth Subject: Re: getting off: Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 12:40:01 +0000 Wow, I feel like I'm back in high school. Was any of that supposed to affect me? I hate for people to be ignorant (although you're a hopeless cause) so I'll further enlighten you RAINBOW IS NOT MY ONLY EMPLOYER THE EMAILS I WAS MISSING ARE NOT FROM RAINBOW Just because you don't get work from them now (and somehow I'm the worthless one?) doesn't mean my case follows suit. (I do get work from them, but I often turn them down in favor of other employers) I have hundreds of employers from around the country (yet he doesn't have enough money to eat and can't pay me back the money he owes me), it's called contacts, and not everyone is as precise at you at keeping all info, some lose numbers. Some, (from OHIO, you know, where my phone is from?) thought I may have changed my number when I moved to florida, and were too silly to try that. I'm glad you guys got a chuckle. I did too. I'd rather you guys be laughing than upset. And I'm sorry I'm not obsessed with computers, and have much too many hobbies to go online and find email changers. Why do you care? If you care so little about me, than why these long dramatic emails that make you sound fifteen? And I singled all of you out (the definition of "single" is one ... you can't "single" out "all" of anything), if you're all too dumb to run a normal mailing list (no matter who is on it) then I want off, any way I have to, even if it upsets a bunch of people, who'd rather get defensive than seek a single peice of knowledge from what I said. But people don't usually learn when they're being harrrassed, so you do have a point there. Anyway, I'm bored with arguing with you, you're not even making sense. Most of the shit you're rambling off makes sense. Some people are upset, but yet they're laughing? Come on joreth, no wonder you lose arguments. I did say some were pissed and others - like me - laughed at him. I didn't think that sentence was so difficult to understand, maybe I should break it down for him? You're 28 *I think* but you're carrying on like a little kid, go fuck yourself into a state of exhaustion, and forget who I am, because I barely remember you. I just remember you starting fights on every gig, and somehow, you're just not around anymore. Funny, I have witnesses that claim he was the one who started the fights, and if I'm not around anymore, how come he's the one having financial difficulties and I'm not? I'll contact you when I have your money, not a moment sooner. Don't even think about bothering me before then, because I won't pay attention. |
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From: Steve To: Freaks Mailing List Subject: Re: [freaks!] Re: getting off: Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:37:55 -0400 maybe he's just lonely and needs someone to pay attention to him. whatever,most of this was still funny. now, i kind of remember him and i seem to recall the poser part , not so much elitist. whats he an elitist for. the unwashed masses? |
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Another private email, because he just couldn't let it lie like he said, he had to have the last word From: "Ian Mercer" dednoyz@msn.com To: Joreth Subject: RE: Debt owed must be paid in full Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 20:12:51 +0000 I also was not trying to pick a fight with you, I was trying to be removed from a goddamn mailing list, and I'm too busy WORKING to look up all of the wonderful ways to block you assholes. I unsubscribed through that goddamn link you guys are whining about 4 times, but apparently no one can read, they would rather bitch. Speaking of not reading and rather bitching, he still hasn't said anything about the confirmation email So don't bother emailing me anymore, because I'm blocking you too. So NOW he knows how to block emails. I'll call you on your cell, as soon as I have the money, not a moment before. And if you fuck with me beyond that, I'll put a restraining order against you. So chill the fuck out. Apparently he doesn't know you can't get a restraining order against someone who has not made any threatening advances and who has a legitimate debt collection against you Bye IAN |
And just for my own amusement, you can find his online profiles at:
http://www.okcupid.com/profile?u=NoyzKiN
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=7390824
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